Really? Then what's your definition of a "surfer"?Originally Posted by Ready 2 Go
Kelly Slater get towed around on a jet ski all the time. Is he not your definition of an OG surfer?
Don't take offense, I'm just venting cause I f'ed up my favorite board today.
Last edited by calico killer kevin; 08-20-2009 at 04:24 PM. Reason: Martians
Just pulled up google maps and checked and there's roughly 8.33 miles of beach within the City of Huntington Beach that the surfers can choose from. On the other hand, the fishermen that want to target surf species off the HB pier have about what, 30 yards, (the distance of a good cast), on each side of the pier. That's 14660.8 yards vs. 60 yards. In other words the fishermen want 4% (if my math's right) of the ocean vs. 96% for the surfers...damn selfish fishermen...
what you cant surf fish from the beach? its illegal to use those 14660.8 yards to fish? the same reason you fish by the pier is why they surf by the pier. its just better there.
Sure you can surf fish anywhere but we're talking about pier fishing, aren't we? And there are people that aren't capable, due to tackle or skill, to cast into the surf and there are people that can't afford a license that can't (legally) fish from the beach, only the pier (no license required).
BTW, I checked my math and I was wrong. It's actually 0.4% of the surf that the fisherman want vs 99.6% the surfers can surf in...makes them (fishermen) sound all that much more selfish...
Your spot on there .
0.4 % we are just so very selfish. ( Fisherman)
Hmmm, "Surf City, USA." Site of the US Open of Surfing. Numerous surf shops up, down, and all around Main Street. Huge tourist dollars during the summer, mostly because of the connection with surfing. How do you think this is going to turn out? And, what exactly is wrong with fishing further down the pier? Most of the time, the further out on the pier, the better the fishing.
Don't put fishing ahead of safety, and then call the surfers selfish.
I've been on both sides, getting tangled in fishing line and fishing from the pier. When your surfing, the wave dictates where you'll end up so you can't just surf away from the pier. And the line is impossible to see so its hard to avoid it if your going full speed. If your fishing, there's a zone where the power pocket of the wave breaks by the pier and where the surfer will be travelling in that section of the pier. Just fish above or below that area. But that probably won't work since guys are paddling out in all areas.
As far as the economic thing and what the city will support, when you have two mall type surf shops on the corner of pch and main along with about 10 other surf related shops on main st., the city knows where their bread is buttered. Sorry to say but HB didn't copyright Surf City, USA because of the excellent perch fishing.
Go try to catch corbina at the end of the pier and you'll understand why some guys are pissed off about this.
The base of the pier tends to be less crowded too, so guys will target surf perch, corbina, or spotfin there to get away from the crowds at the end. Also, quite a few people prefer those species as opposed to mackerel, sardines, or bonita that the end produces. Halibut fishing tends to be better closer to the base of the pier too.
The way I see it the fishermen are going to lose this one. Surfers > Fishermen everywhere, but especially in Surf City USA.
I think both sides are at fault since I have seen some real idiots at the Manhattan Beach Pier, and I am sure the same crap happens everywhere. Surfer thinks it's a good idea to surf right next to the pier where guys are snagging, gets impaled by mass of trebles, yells at fishermen, guys meet at base of pier, fight ensues, cops show up, nice rides to the station for both. Surfer thinks it's funny to cut guy's line for no reason, fisherman tosses lead at surfer's head. Fisherman decides it's a brilliant strategy to fish right in the middle of line up, hits/hooks surfer, surfer comes up on pier as fisherman is oblivious, fight ensues.
My favorite one though is when the guy decides to paddle in between the pilings at the end of the pier and creates a huge mess with himself at the center. That one is great, and usually needs the lifeguards to sort out as the moron is usually so tangled he can't go into shore.
The beach communities tends to side with the surfers as more of these residents surf as opposed to fish, and the communities draw more revenue from surfers (greater number of them) than fishermen.
As for the whole fishing on the beach argument, you get tossed off the beach so fast in the summer by lifeguards if you try to surf fish anytime between 9am and 4pm. The rule is 50yds away from all people in the water or the lifeguard's discretion, and while you might be fine for 30min some idiot family is going to decide to plop down right behind you and run into the water EXACTLY where you are standing. That's when Mr. Lifeguard shows up.
P.S. I wasn't copying you but I saw your post later.
We pay a fee to the state of California to fish!!Do surfers pay to surf?
Does our license go up every year to fish? Again we (fisherman) generate money for this broke azzz state!
If surfers don't like it then they should have a "surfers license"
Let them (surfers) bring money into this state, just like everyone else does who has a passion for there hobbies.
Surfers don't pay for anything but there boards and wetsuits, make them pay!!!!
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