www.sportchalet.com has the Shimano Saros 2500F, 3000F, 4000F for $77.95. Clearance. Too bad I wanted the 1000F. Great price if you need one. This is the older model not the new FA series. Shimano Symetre 4000 FJ for 59.95 also. Clink Sale link on home page, then fishing, then Shimano.